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New Member [22 Oct 2006|09:42pm]

So, here's a potentially distressing fun topic: predestination.

I'm reading through selections of John Calvin's Institutes of the Christian Religion. Calvin is probably most notable for his doctrine of predestination/election, and I've been thinking a lot about the implications of it.

Is anyone familiar with his writings on the subject? Does anyone have any thoughts on predestination in general?
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[01 Sep 2006|09:49pm]

Do you think God is someone we are supposed to be afraid of? I was at a Bible study where the teacher discussed briefly the Proverb "The fear the of the Lord is the beginning of knowledge." This teacher could not hold to the idea of being afraid of God since he felt it was in conflict with the personality of Jesus. What do you think the Bible teaches about this?
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debates [18 Aug 2006|11:45am]
[ mood | sad ]

Where is everybody. It states you have a knew topic each week but there doesn't seem to be anything listed for some time now. I am new at this so maybe I looked in the wrong area. Is any one out there?

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Oh, Benny! [20 Oct 2005|12:42pm]

"The Lord also tells me to tell you in the mid 90’s, about ’94-’95, no later than that, God will destroy the homosexual community of America. [audience applauds] But He will not destroy it – with what many minds have thought Him to be, He will destroy it with fire. And many will turn and be saved, and many will rebel and be destroyed."

Orlando Christian Center, Dec. 31, 1989.

"A world dictator is coming on the scene. My! He's a short man. He's a short man. I see a short man who's a perfect incarnation of Satan. [speaks in tongues] Never in my life have I had anything happen like what's happening to me now! 'This man will rule the world. In the next few years you will see him. But not long after that you will see Me.'"

Orlando Christian Center, Dec. 31, 1989
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WOW. Good read... [10 Oct 2005|06:34pm]

personally, i hate organized religion, i was never baptized or had communion or been confirmed yet when I was younger I went to chruch every Sunday and my parents and grandparents are very religious and at a time in my life I really did want to get baptized but I think that is only because I was scared that I NEEDED a religion in my life, now I know you may disagree with a lot of the reasons why I don't like organized religion but I wish that you would not judge me for my beliefs because there is no way I would ever judge you for yours, I think too many people use religion as a way to get out of things, I know many people who can mess up so badly (cheat, lie, have premarital sex, not go to church, don't pray) yet they think that God will forgive them for everything if they just say they are sorry, to me that seems like bullshit, I just cant fathom the fact that you can do so many bad things in your life but you can be relieved of all of that if you confess, I just don't think that's right, but that's not the reason im writing, I listen to your music like its my career, and I don't mean I just hear it, I LISTEN to it, listen to every word, phrase, line, and it moves me, every single bit of your lyrics has changed me and moved me in some way, but is it bad that I feel that I can be moved by Christian music when I don't believe in the Christian faith or any religious faith at all? now I know you are a very insightful kind of guy that's why I am seeking your opinion on this matter, I find that your lyrics relate to my life in so many ways that at times its like your singing about me and my life, which I know many people think, but at times I feel kind of guilty because a lot of your music is based on those Christian beliefs that I disagree with, I will never stop listening to your music, EVER, it brings me to a different place where I can just be who I WANT to be, and that's the best feeling ever..."
-beauty in the breakdown

dearest beauty,
anberlin is not a Christian band.
I personally have a faith in Jesus Christ.
I don't judge you or anyone (that is not my place).
I don't care what color, creed, sexual orientation, or religion you
believe in, I just want you to be touched by the music!
if that brings you closer to God than that is amazing!
if you can learn from my mistakes and failure's than that is amazing as well.
as long as you walk away with a deeper sense of yourself and long to
be a better person than; I have done my job.
YOU DO NOT NEED RELIGION IN YOUR LIFE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
you do not need a man made set of rules to govern and dictate every
move of your life.
what you need is God.
I'm not asking you to swallow every pill I, or any other faith,
prescribe. what I'm asking you do is to "seek." and really earnestly
seek. look through all the religion's, and all the wise men, and read
every piece of literature that you come across.
I did.
and for me the conclusion that I came up with was that Jesus Christ
was the way, the truth, and the life.
all other religion's seemed very egocentric. all rules, regulation's,
and rituals. but with Christ all his message's are all about grace,
mercy, love, and giving to other people. "this is pure religion, to
love the widows and the orphan's." it is so altruistic. so giving, so
not human (for every fiber of my body is selfish).
please don't look to Christian's to find Christ. not your parent's,
grandparent's, me, or those people on TV. look to Christ, because we
are only human and we are ALL GOING TO FAIL YOU!
for me personally I have found HOPE. hope that there is something
beyond me, something bigger than myself, something after death,
something more than life itself.
so I am asking you to seek, everywhere, anywhere. but seek, and you will find.
God bless you on this journey called life.
I hope this helps a little.
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[10 Oct 2005|03:20pm]

Do you think that being married by a judge is acceptable for a Christian, or will God only acknowledge a wedding that takes place in a church?
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[30 Sep 2005|11:48pm]

What's the difference between being Christian and being in a band, or being in a Christian band?

Timmy (from under oath) and myself have talked hours about this subject. we take different paths as to the answer to this question but see eye to eye and respect each other on our different opinions of where our bands take a stand. as anberlin we are Christians but feel our music is not "Christian music‚". C.S. Lewis (a prominent Christian philosopher/author) was once asked "how does it feel to be the writer of some of the greatest Christian literature of all time." C.S. replied "Christian literature", are you saying my writing's have a heart and a soul, as if pen on paper can choose right or wrong? good or evil?."
in the same way i do not think that i write Christian music. i write music from experiences and truth that i have learned (thus God is seen in various times on our albums). if someone walks away from our albums touched or changed by something on our record that is amazing! but i don't think "spiritual" music is limited to those who claim themselves to this or that religion. for me the greatest spiritual music of all time is sigur ros and jeff buckley, neither renowned to be apart of any religious affiliation. i am not ashamed of my belief in Jesus Christ; but music is my profession, i am not on that stage to preach my conviction's i am there to simply to entertain.

--Stephen Christian, Anberlin
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from church music to multimillionares.. [28 Sep 2005|05:26pm]

inspired by an article in the latest AP magazine

"Christianity started in Israel as a movement, then went to Rome and it became an empire, then went to Europe and became a government, then finally it came to America and became an enterprise."
-- Stephen Christian of Anberlin

Is it ethical for Christian musicians to make money off of their faith? How does this make them any different then television evangelists?
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Good Quote [22 Sep 2005|10:08am]

"I feel like people, Americans in particular, like to create a singular archetype of religions and make grand summaries about cultures and societies. Islam is a perfect example of this. People have a tendency to misinterpret Islam and stereotype its beliefs based on the actions of a handful of violent individuals. It's a very beautiful religion that gets cast off because of the pigeonholes created for it within our culture.

What I believe and what I write comes from an intense love for mankind and if people want to interpret that another way there's nothing I can do to stop them. I feel like there are two facets to differentiate between: Christianity, which is a personal belief and a love; and Christendom, which unfortunately is all some people think about when they think about Christianity. Christendom is the ugly, hateful, corporate institution that aligns itself with Christianity. I feel like I constantly have to resolve myself between what I believe and this deadly institutional entity. I feel no affiliation with what they push - what they believe - and I hope I can make that distinction in my music. But I'm just singer storyteller with a small voice really."

-Sufjan Stevens
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Two "wrongs" don't make a right. [12 Aug 2005|02:53am]

While it's debatable that two members of the species Homo sapiens with identical reproductive systems loving each other (Notice: love. How can it be wrong, especially when it's between two consenting adults?) shouldn't be done, there's simply no case for hatred and discrimination, whether you like what they do or not.  No one's asking you to.


Homophobia and You:

I am the girl kicked out of her home because I confided in my mother that I am a lesbian.

I am the prostitute working the streets because nobody will hire a transsexual woman.

I am the sister who holds her gay brother tight through the painful, tear-filled nights.

We are the parents who buried our daughter long before her time.

I am the man who died alone in the hospital because they would not let my partner of twenty-seven years into the room.

I am the foster child who wakes up with nightmares of being taken away from the two fathers who are the only loving family I have ever had. I wish they could adopt me.

I am one of the lucky ones, I guess. I survived the attack that left me in a coma for three weeks, and in another year I will probably be able to walk again.

I am not one of the lucky ones. I killed myself just weeks before graduating high school. It was simply too much to bear.

We are the couple who had the realtor hang up on us when she found out we wanted to rent a one-bedroom for two men.

I am the person who never knows which bathroom I should use if I want to avoid getting the management called on me.

I am the mother who is not allowed to even visit the children I bore, nursed, and raised. The court says I am an unfit mother because I now live with another woman.

I am the domestic-violence survivor who found the support system grow suddenly cold and distant when they found out my abusive partner is also a woman.

I am the domestic-violence survivor who has no support system to turn to because I am male.

I am the father who has never hugged his son because I grew up afraid to show affection to other men.

I am the home-economics teacher who always wanted to teach gym until someone told me that only lesbians do that.

I am the man who died when the paramedics stopped treating me as soon as they realized I was transsexual.

I am the person who feels guilty because I think I could be a much better person if I did not have to always deal with society hating me.

I am the man who stopped attending church, not because I don't believe, but because they closed their doors to my kind.

I am the person who has to hide what this world needs most, love.

I am the person who is afraid of telling his loving Christian parents he loves another male.

Re-post this if you believe homophobia is wrong. Please do your part to end it.

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Think about it. [02 Aug 2005|01:58pm]

"I refuse to prove that I exist," says God, "for proof denies faith, and without faith I am nothing."
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[30 Jun 2005|05:21pm]

so, how's your faith life?
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In Response to omegaomeg [26 Jun 2005|02:09pm]
[ mood | aggravated ]

How many people do you know have come back to life after such torture that Jesus endured? The movie is very mild to what actually happened. The bible discribes him as being unreconizable. This is why I know there is a God. Explain this to me how a guy in Ghana gets a message to start nailing a piece of bread to the table...yeah this is kinda crazy, but even though he wasn't a believer he obeyed what he heard and as he nailed the bread to the table it began to bleed huge amounts of blood...I don't know about you, but the last time I checked when I bite into bread it doesn't bleed...now there is only one answer I can come to with this and that's God.

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[31 May 2005|11:43am]

Anyone care to start a new topic?
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[20 May 2005|01:28pm]

Hi! I wanted to let you know about my new community. Check out the main page, and im sure that there are a few people in here who will identify and want to be a part of it.

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New Member [08 May 2005|06:02pm]

Hi, I just joined this community because of a lot of the thoughts going on in my head.
I grew up in a Catholic home. I wavered a little bit, studied around in a lot of religions, but ultimately I decided to get baptized Pentacostal in 2000.
That being 5 years ago and me being 5 years older (I'm 22 now) I have had a lot of questions pop into my head. I don't mean to start childish arguements, these are serious questions that have me up thinking until 4am on occasion.
I believe in creation. There is no question in that. Life cannot be created by man, we have the components but we cannot create it. To me that says something. So okay, we were created by a larger being than ourselves. (I have recently started questioning God...please bear with me)If we were created by larger beings, what created those beings? To say, if God created us, and matter (to say, energy) can neither be created nor destroyed, then what created God? This is driving me crazy. Because if it all works out that we were created, and if God was "created", then what created God's creator? I understand about God being all powerful and being the father of all, but this really plagues me. And that leads me into my next question:
If God is omnipotent, all powerful, all knowing, then why did the wars happen in heaven between lucifer and the other angels? if God created the angels, then why let them revolt? and if they revolt, why not just completely obliterate them when they do?
I understand that some people may not want to answer this questions, but i hope someone does. I would really appreciate someone else's insight on these questions.
Thank you all very much for reading this!
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[19 Apr 2005|06:07pm]

They announced the new Pope today as Benedict XVI. I know very little about him.. actually, nothing.. but yeah, he was chosen today and will probably be installed soon.
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[15 Apr 2005|12:26pm]

Another xtian hypocrite exposed.

It sure is a pathetic joke being played on you suckers.
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Punishment for sin? [17 Mar 2005|01:46pm]

[ mood | curious ]

What do you think, does God punish us for sinning?

If he does, wouldn´t a punishment for being sexually active before marriage be getting pregnant? I know not everyone one believes that being sexually active is a sin, but that´s another topic. Call me old fashioned if you like.

For example: my brother in law got his girlfriend pregnant, so they´re going to get married. They´re very young, don´t have a penny to their name, and she´s not even working! This is a consequence they´ll have to live with for the rest of their lives.

But when it´s born, how can people go and say: it´s such a miracle and blessing? If God blesses our sin, wouldn´t we be better off sinning?

I realize that for some people, having a baby is the best thing that can happen to them in the world. But sometimes at a certain point in a person´s life, it´s just plain stupid.

My questions:

1.Does God punish sin?
2.Is getting pregnant a punishment?

Thanks for your input.

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[15 Mar 2005|04:24pm]

As you may or may not know, guitarist Brian "Head" Welch left KoRn last month when he converted to Christianity.  Since then he has delievered sermons for various churches and taken a trip to the Israel.  During his tour, however, Welch wrote a song "from God" aimed at rapper 50 Cent which condemns 50's lyrics and lifestyle.  Welch is threatening to release the song to radio play if 50 isn't open to being converted to Christianity.

A lot of people are supporting Welch in his efforts, saying that morality needs to be put back into secular music, but at the same time many Christians are appalled at his brazen attempts to reform celebrities - basically Bible-thumping for the media to suck up and use as one of its tools.

What do you guys think?
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